Legislature(2001 - 2002)

04/02/2001 02:00 PM Senate HES

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         SB 149 - TEACHER/HEALTH CARE PROVIDER INCENTIVES                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN asked  Senator Leman,  the sponsor  of SB 149,  to                                                            
present the bill.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  said he introduced SB 149 because of  the shortage of                                                            
teachers and  health care providers,  most noticeably of  nurses, in                                                            
Alaska.   To address this  problem, he believes  the state  needs to                                                            
provide incentives to reverse  this trend.  The University of Alaska                                                            
(UA) is doing  a capable job of filling  some of the shortages,  but                                                            
it is unable to  fill them all so Alaska must attract  professionals                                                            
from outside of the state.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SB 149 attracts  newly trained people, it promotes  retention of the                                                            
existing  workforce, and  it will  therefore  attract retirees  back                                                            
into the workforce.   It provides  financial incentives to  motivate                                                            
entry-level  teachers and health  care providers  to the state.   It                                                            
has a partial  loan assumption element  that provides up  to $10,000                                                            
in state-paid  loan  payment support.   In addition,  it contains  a                                                            
loan  forgiveness  provision  for  teachers  in  rural  areas.    He                                                            
believes  that  provision  should  be expanded  to  include  certain                                                            
teachers in urban areas.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  LEMAN  explained  that  the  bill  also  targets   employed                                                            
professionals by increasing  medical benefits for those teachers who                                                            
work 25  years instead  of 20.   For  the additional  five years  of                                                            
work, their coverage would  increase to 100 percent upon retirement.                                                            
Another  provision  of the  bill  recognizes  out-of-state  teaching                                                            
certificates and  provides for a teaching excellence  award program.                                                            
 That program  provides  a $1500 award  to up to  20 percent  of the                                                            
teachers in Alaska school  districts.  The districts would determine                                                            
the methods  to decide who the awards  will go to.  He expects  that                                                            
program to motivate  teachers to improve our education  system.  The                                                            
bill contains a fiscal  note, which he expects the committee to work                                                            
on to fit within the budget gap.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN pointed out  that under SB 149, retired teachers would                                                            
be able to come back into  the system and work.  They could continue                                                            
to receive benefits but,  if they chose not to, they could work at a                                                            
higher salary.   He offered to go  into more detail on that  section                                                            
if necessary.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1501                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN asked if  the Department of Law has issued an attorney                                                            
general's opinion on the  question of whether it is discriminator to                                                            
grant forgiveness  on  student loans  for a certain  segment  of the                                                            
population.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  stated that SB 149 has discrimination  built into it.                                                            
He  believes   the  question  is   whether  the  discrimination   is                                                            
appropriate  and, in his opinion,  it is.  He said he would  welcome                                                            
testimony  from the Department  of Education  and Early Development                                                             
and the assistant  attorney general  who represents that  department                                                            
on that question.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WARD commented  that special  housing loans  were given  to                                                            
police officers  in the Mountainview  area  of Anchorage.   He asked                                                            
Senator Leman  whether he considered  offering a further  subsidized                                                            
housing loan program through  the Alaska Housing Finance Corporation                                                            
to provide incentive to teachers to move to certain areas.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN thought that  is a good idea and said he sees the bill                                                            
as a  work in progress.   He recognizes  that the  bill has  a large                                                            
fiscal note and that it will have to be constrained.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD asked  the committee to consider a housing  subsidy and                                                            
thought the police program was subsidized with federal money.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN asked when the ACPE will provide a fiscal note.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN said she would request one.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN  asked  whether  the  Department  of  Community  and                                                            
Economic  Development is  the appropriate  agency to administer  the                                                            
loan program  [page 9, line 14].                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  LEMAN said  that provision  refers to the  grants that  are                                                            
given directly to whoever made the loan.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN asked participants  to keep their testimony  brief                                                            
to allow everyone time to testify.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1713                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. TINA DELAPP,  UAA School of Nursing, said she  is pleased to see                                                            
the addition  of health care providers  to the bill as the  greatest                                                            
shortage  of workers  in Alaska  is in  the category  of  registered                                                            
nurses.  Alaska  has a severe shortage  of registered nurses,  and a                                                            
substantial  number  of the  existing  nurses  in the  workforce  is                                                            
expected  to retire within  15 years.  The  same shortage exists  in                                                            
the other 49 states.   In the past, Alaska has been  able to rely on                                                            
recruitment  from other jurisdictions;  it can no longer  do that so                                                            
it  is crucial  to  retain  the nurses  who  have been  educated  in                                                            
Alaska.   Given the heavy  indebtedness that  most nursing  students                                                            
have accumulated  at the time of graduation, forgiving  a portion of                                                            
that indebtedness  will give many a powerful incentive  to remain in                                                            
the state.  Nursing is  a physically, emotionally and intellectually                                                            
demanding  profession   and  those  demands  increase  in  times  of                                                            
shortage.   The burnout  rate  is high.   It is not  uncommon  for a                                                            
recent  graduate to be  overcome by  the demands  and elect  to seek                                                            
employment  in a less demanding field.   Extending the rate  of loan                                                            
repayment over  a five year period  may be useful in keeping  nurses                                                            
actively employed  in the field until they have had  sufficient time                                                            
to gain  experience and  comfort.   The shortage  in Alaska  is most                                                            
severe  in rural areas  therefore  she applauds  the provision  that                                                            
adds an  incentive for individuals  who elect  to practice  in rural                                                            
areas, however  she does not believe  that was intended to  be based                                                            
on a cumulative  GPA.   Improving the quality  of preventive,  acute                                                            
and long term health care  services will ultimately reduce costs and                                                            
provide economic advantages  to communities that seek to attract and                                                            
retain workers  to fill jobs both in and outside of  the health care                                                            
arena.  She believes SB  149 will attract and increase the retention                                                            
of nurses  in Alaska, and  especially in rural  areas of the  state.                                                            
She suggested  providing more continuing education  opportunities in                                                            
rural Alaska.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1879                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DEBBIE OSSIANDER,  a  member  of the  Anchorage  School  Board,                                                            
expressed  enthusiastic support  for SB  149.  This  bill will  go a                                                            
long  way toward  some of  the challenges  that  public schools  are                                                            
facing.   Sections 3  and 4 are  particularly  important.  The  five                                                            
year  timeframe   on  reciprocity   of   teacher  certification   is                                                            
particularly  helpful.   Additionally,   the employment  of  retired                                                            
teachers  is a provision  that  the Anchorage  School District,  and                                                            
others,  has  pushed  for  several  years.    The  Anchorage  School                                                            
District would  like to see that provision apply to  hiring teachers                                                            
in  areas of  shortage.    The Anchorage  School  District  is  also                                                            
appreciative of being able  to determine areas of shortage; that bit                                                            
of local flexibility will go along way towards benefiting it.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  OSSIANDER  said  she  is confused  about  Sections  8  and  10,                                                            
regarding  the loan  forgiveness provisions.   Section  10 would  be                                                            
particularly helpful  for urban Alaskan school districts.   She also                                                            
appreciates  the  teacher award  program.   Overall,  the  Anchorage                                                            
School Board supports SB 149.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2005                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEVE  CATHERS  from Valdez  testified  on his own  behalf.   He                                                            
finds SB 149 to  be a bold and creative bill that  provides a number                                                            
of  strategies  to  attract  teachers  to  the  state.    This  bill                                                            
addresses  all  teachers:  new  teachers  through  loan forgiveness                                                             
provisions;  retired teachers by not  interrupting their  retirement                                                            
benefits;  and it provides  for teacher  certification reciprocity.                                                             
He  expressed   concern  about  whether   a  teacher  who,   through                                                            
reciprocity, has received  a five year certificate can reapply for a                                                            
provisional  certificate when the  five years is up.  Regarding  the                                                            
teacher  award  program,  the  State  of  Arizona  has  proven  that                                                            
objective criteria  for awarding incentives can be  implemented. The                                                            
superintendents have discussed  and strongly support the possibility                                                            
of eliminating the Tier  II designation from the teachers retirement                                                            
system.   SB 149 will certainly  be of use  to school districts  but                                                            
timing is critical as the job fair will occur soon.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MELISSA HILL,  Alaska  Teacher  Placement  director,  expressed                                                            
support  for SB 149, especially  for the  certification reciprocity                                                             
provision.  The  certification process in Alaska is  very expensive.                                                            
She asked that the Institutional  Recommendation Form be reviewed by                                                            
the teacher  certification office.   She also expressed support  for                                                            
reemployment  of  retired  members  and  for  the  loan forgiveness                                                             
provision.   Other states have offered  signing bonuses that  do not                                                            
necessarily  lead  to  higher  retention  rates.    She recommended                                                             
allowing school districts  in urban areas to use these incentives to                                                            
hire staff in high demand positions.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 2308                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LARRAINE  DERR, representing   the Alaska  State  Hospital  and                                                            
Nursing Home Association,  said she is speaking specifically  to the                                                            
shortage  of nurses  although there  is a  shortage  in many of  the                                                            
health  care  provider  areas.   Of  33 categories  of  health  care                                                            
providers  that  the  Department  of  Labor  keeps  track  of,  5400                                                            
vacancies  are  projected   to  occur  within  the  next  10  years,                                                            
according to a 1998 study.   Since 1998, 580 vacancies per year have                                                            
been  occurring.    By  2008,  Alaska   will  need  more  than  1300                                                            
registered  nurses  (RNs) and  150 more  licensed  practical  nurses                                                            
(LPNs).   Currently the UA  enrolls 60 students  per year in  its RN                                                            
program and  30 in the LPN program.   About 15 percent of  LPNs plan                                                            
to leave that  field in the next five  years.  That extrapolates  to                                                            
an additional  550 vacancies or more  than 100 per year.   The UA is                                                            
adding new programs  but additional students must  be attracted into                                                            
these areas.   The legislature  can help  by supporting UA's  budget                                                            
and by supporting  SB 149.  This is  not an Alaska issue  alone; the                                                            
American  Hospital Association  has named  workforce development  as                                                            
its number  one priority in 2001.  The problem is nationwide.   This                                                            
legislation will help to attract students to Alaska.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-29, Side B                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. DIANE BARRANS,  Executive Director  of the Alaska Commission  on                                                            
Postsecondary   Education,  said  she  looked  at  the  forgiveness                                                             
provision on state student  loans and the provision that establishes                                                            
a  program   within  the  Department   of  Community  and   Economic                                                            
Development.   The bill contains windows  of opportunity  for people                                                            
who have borrowed  student loans from July 1, 2001  through June 30,                                                            
2004.  However,  this bill does not  provide tools that can  be used                                                            
to recruit  this  year.   The loan  forgiveness  provision does  not                                                            
apply  to any  existing  loans;  it will  begin  to apply  to  loans                                                            
borrowed this  next year.  The sunset  provision will provide  for a                                                            
periodic review to see  whether the loan forgiveness provision would                                                            
remain.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  asked if that window of opportunity  could be changed                                                            
by making the date earlier.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS  said it could.  She also  pointed out the ACPE  has not                                                            
provided a fiscal  note yet because there is some  uncertainty about                                                            
the health  care provider definition  and who the benefits  would be                                                            
extended  to.    The  definition  is  very  broad;  14  health  care                                                            
professions are  licensed by the state and could fit  the definition                                                            
of the bill.  She stated  without further guidance from the sponsor,                                                            
the ACPE will  craft a fiscal note  for the broadest interpretation                                                             
of that definition.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN asked  Senator Leman  to discuss  that  definition                                                            
with Ms. Barrans.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 2244                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR.  BRUCE  JOHNSON,  Deputy  Commissioner   of  the  Department  of                                                            
Education, commended  Senators Leman and Davis for  their efforts in                                                            
trying to address  the teacher shortage  issue.  He noted  the state                                                            
board of education passed,  this last Friday, a provisional two-year                                                            
certificate, which  is similar to what is outlined  in the bill.  He                                                            
asked  the committee  to  review the  provisional  certification  to                                                            
determine whether that will be sufficient.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  asked if the state board has the statutory  authority                                                            
to make that change.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DR. JOHNSON said the board does believe it has that authority.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KAREN  PEARSON, Director  of  Public  Health,  DHSS,  commended                                                            
Senator  Leman  for  including  health  care providers  in  SB  149,                                                            
especially mental health  care providers.  She assured the committee                                                            
that certain  areas in  Alaska are experiencing  shortages  in every                                                            
type  of  health  care  provider.    She  pointed   out  the  Denali                                                            
Commission  has provided  funding  to improve  health facilities  in                                                            
rural Alaska.   SB 149 will  help provide  the staff needed  to make                                                            
sure  those  facilities  are  utilized  and  that  services  can  be                                                            
delivered.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN   GREEN  asked  Ms.  Pearson   to  describe  the   Denali                                                            
Commission's program.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. PEARSON  said that  funding will  be coming  through the  Denali                                                            
Commission to  address the need for primary care health  facilities,                                                            
especially  in rural Alaska.   The funding  will be for both  larger                                                            
clinics  that will  serve populations  of  over 750,  and for  small                                                            
clinics.  There  is separate funding for the two types  so they will                                                            
not be competing against  each other.  There has been extensive work                                                            
done on  looking at where  the needs are,  where the sustainability                                                             
exists, and  to come up  with technical  assistance for communities                                                             
with high  needs but little  capacity to  do their own development.                                                             
She reiterated  Ms. Barran's concern  that the prospective  dates in                                                            
SB 149  will delay,  for  about two  years, any  ability to  recruit                                                            
based on loan forgiveness.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2082                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  said he agrees  the dates should  be changed  so that                                                            
the bill  has a more immediate  impact.   He expressed concern  that                                                            
the fiscal  impact of SB 149 has to  be constrained so he  asked Ms.                                                            
Pearson to work  with him to determine where the incentives  need to                                                            
be provided among the health care professions.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. PEARSON agreed to do so.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SHARON   BARTON,  Director  of   the  Division  of   Personnel,                                                            
Department  of  Administration,  informed  the  committee  that  the                                                            
division is concerned about  recruitment and retention programs on a                                                            
statewide level.   The division appreciates the bill's  focus on two                                                            
critical areas  but the shortage problem  is occurring across  state                                                            
government  and many  mission-critical  jobs  in all  agencies  need                                                            
similar incentives.   She provided  the committee with a  chart that                                                            
shows that all  state departments are sharing in this  problem.  The                                                            
average age  of a new hire in state  government is 38 years  old and                                                            
the average  age of state employees  is 44.  The state has  invested                                                            
in 12 years of  education for its youth.  Anything  that can be done                                                            
to encourage those college  students to return to these jobs will be                                                            
in the state's best interest.   State government will be losing most                                                            
of its most qualified  people in the next five to  seven years so it                                                            
needs incentives to keep them in the workforce longer.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Regarding the "double dipping"  issue, MS. BARTON said the provision                                                            
in this  bill does  not add  cost to  the retirement  program.   The                                                            
division has  no compunction, on the  other hand, of hiring  "double                                                            
dippers."   Furthermore, other  employers do  not mind hiring  state                                                            
government  retirees so the state  government is cutting  itself off                                                            
from keeping  some of  its best  qualified people  in its  workforce                                                            
without  providing  an incentive  to  remain.   The  problem is  not                                                            
always  rural in these  other job  classes.  The  division has  been                                                            
surveying   applicants  for   state  government   jobs  since   last                                                            
September.  Out  of 1800 responders to the survey,  only 130 were in                                                            
the  22 to  24 year  old age  group.   She  urged the  committee  to                                                            
consider the  rest of the workforce  as it considers the  provisions                                                            
in SB 149.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN   GREEN  asked  what  other   specific  professions   are                                                            
experiencing a shortage.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BARTON  said engineers,  accountants  and  other  higher  level                                                            
administrative positions,  biologists and other natural resource and                                                            
scientific job classes, among others.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  pointed out that he  wanted the provisions  of SB 149                                                            
to also apply  to engineers but he  did not want the bill  to be too                                                            
self  serving.     He  asked  if  Ms.  Barton  has   a  similar  age                                                            
distribution chart from  five or ten years ago so that the committee                                                            
can get a better picture of the state government workforce.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARTON  said the division  will be working  on that data  and it                                                            
will take more of a manual  effort to get those figures but she will                                                            
provide the committee with a copy.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN  thought a measurable change will be  evident over the                                                            
last ten years.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN suspected the problem is nationwide.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD asked Senator  Leman to contact the AHFC to explore the                                                            
possibility of offering low-interest housing loans as an incentive.                                                             

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